SuperThe86 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@NinjaRider777R I don't say gun control is good or bad. I'm saying that people are the problem. And I was talking about MURDERS and not all type of crimes."In the US, there are roughly 17,000 murders a year, of which about 15,000 are committed with firearms""Among Germany's 82 million citizens there have been 794 murders in 2005."US polulation: 312993000Germany:81799600 312993000:81799600=3.82617000:794:3.826=5.6Murder rates are 5.6 times higher in US than Germany.

NinjaRider777R (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@SuperThe86 The UK has 4.37 times more crime per 100,000 people than the USA. The UK's gun death and firearm homicide numbers have been going UP every year for 14 straight years since their dual gun bans were put in place.You might want to start checking some real stats, there's many crime rates in European countries that are higher than the USA.Bans don't work to stop or slow down crime, they only make crime WORSE.

XJT1972X (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

40 states? try 50 states..........2nd ammendment.......period

SuperThe86 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Guns are strictly regulated in Europe and the homicide rates are lower compared to US.But lower homicide rates in Europe have nothing to do with guns being regulated or not.Europeans don't have a cult for violence ,blood and wars.Americans can't live without being at war with someone.

NinjaRider777R (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Tom26229 """For the few lives guns save they cost a lot more"""The combined guns of civilians, police and Military in the USA averaging to 12 guns for every 1 person in the country, around 4.2 Billion guns....Compare that to the 8,775 firearm homicides in 2010 across the entire country.Cars, bad foods, smoking, and doctor's mistakes all kill more people individually each year than guns do.So no, guns don't really "cost more lives than they save".

tehatemachine (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Cosmo1093 Either way i'm not following any gun laws in California that are deemed unconstitutional. Nor do i plan on doing it intentionally to where everyone can se me doing it for attention in broad daylight. Ab144 is an unconstitutional law therefore it must be struck down by supreme court. California state government has failed over and over since liberals have been running the show. Especially with welfare and failing public school system.

Cosmo1093 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@MrDroopdog1 Yes, modern street gangs are pussies compared to more traditional organized-crime mobsters in general, including Russian mafia, Italian mafia, and Yakuza. However, Mexican cartels (if you consider them "gangs") are currently at the top when it comes to a body count..

MrDroopdog1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Cosmo1093 gangs in the US are copycat pussies compared to Russian, Italian and Japanese.

Cosmo1093 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@tehatemachine Yeah, well California has violent crime, murder, aggravated assault, and robbery rates above the national average. Clearly the asinine gun control laws in the state don't do very much good to hinder criminals or the countless gang members in the state. Hopefully the Second Amendment Foundation and Calguns Foundation lawsuits against the CA DOJ will do some good.

tehatemachine (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Cosmo1093 they've increased gunlaws in California banning open carry.